In a wide-ranging conversation, Danielle Strickland joins Carey in his home studio to talk about why it’s unfair to expect women speakers to hit home runs every time they communicate and why she started the Women’s Speaker Collective.
Danielle explains why, despite Billy Graham’s amazing legacy, the Billy Graham rule that men and women never meet alone together is both outdated and unhelpful, and where the path to healing the divide between men and women in life and at work can move next.
Plus, Danielle discusses why so much Western Christianity is all head and needs to grow a body.
Welcome to Episode 362 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about how your workflow system is hurting your productivity.
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3 INSIGHTS FROM DANIELLE
1. The Billy Graham Rule might be doing more harm than good for female leaders today
Danielle believe Billy Graham was and is ‘awesome’ and totally understands why Billy Graham put the boundaries in place that he did not not meet with a woman alone. However, his rules were written in 1948, and the world has changed significantly since then, so his rules should be adapted accordingly.
For example, one of his rules was that his yearly salary was capped at $15,000 per year. If pastors and leaders take Billy’s rule about never being alone in a room with a woman completely literal, they should also take the $15,000 salary cap rule completely literal.
In 1948, there were no women leaders, or not nearly as many as today, so Danielle argues it’s unfair to project that standard on today’s system where ministry has men and women working side by side. She offers other nuances and suggestions in the interview (and her book) on how men and women can work together.
2. When there aren’t enough women speakers, train them
One of the movements Danielle has spearheaded is the Women Speakers Collective. She started this because she saw not a lot of women on main stages, especially talking to mixed audiences. When she saw this, she started asking, “Why? Where are the women? What’s happening?”
As an answer to this problem, Danielle started the Women Speakers Collective to help train, equip and empower more female speakers, and to increase awareness and knowledge of female speakers among event hosts.
3. If you want to become a diverse organization, aim for the 30% level
So many organizations buy into becoming more diverse, or being intentional about having more females on their leadership teams, but only end up adding one female leader onto the 10 member leadership team. This is tokenism when you do this, and their opinion will never be heard because they are alone.
If you really want to go through cultural change, you need to hit the 30% level (where 30% of your team is composed of the people you’re including). If you want to experience the positive effects of diversity on your team, you need your team to be at least 30% of that group.
Quotes from Episode 362
Fear is the currency of oppression. @djstrickland Share on XPhenomenal leaders use their power to empower other people. @djstrickland Share on XYou cannot have reconciliation without forgiveness on one hand and then repentance and restoration on another. @djstrickland Share on XI'm not going to forgive because I'm amazing at forgiveness. I'm going to forgive because I've been forgiven. @djstrickland Share on XThe good news is something you live. Not just something you tell. @djstrickland Share on XYou want to actually show a demonstration of what good news is? Live a reconciled life. @djstrickland Share on XObjectification is the opposite of humanizing people. @djstrickland Share on XWhen you view difference through the lens of fear, it becomes a threat. If you view difference through the lens of faith, it's an opportunity. @djstrickland Share on XGenerosity is reciprocal. @djstrickland Share on XIt's harder to receive, because you have to admit you need. @djstrickland Share on XRead or Download the Transcript for Episode 362
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