Leadership expert, John Maxwell, talks about how to develop next generation leaders before they’re ready, how and when to hand things off, and what playing golf and eating at buffets can teach you about who people really are.
Welcome to Episode 407 of the podcast. Listen and access the show notes below or search for the Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and listen for free.
Plus, in this episode’s What I’m Thinking About segment, Carey talks about his favorite John Maxwell teaching: 5 Levels of Leadership.
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Change Your World by John C. Maxwell
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Insights From John
1. Before you hire someone, take them golfing, and take them to a buffet
A golf course and a buffet can teach you a lot about a person. On a golf course, John looks to see if someone is honest (by keeping an honest score), if they’re efficient (by re-hitting when a shot gets lost, rather than searching for it) and their temperament and comfort with themselves (by watching how emotional they get).
In a buffet line, John is looking for someone who will work around lines and pick and choose where and when to get their food. This marks a leader rather than a follower.
2. Most leaders try to hold onto what they have for too long
Most leaders wait until they get tired to pass on leadership to the next generation. John thinks this is a tragic mistake. Like in a relay race, he recommends that leaders get themselves and their organization to the top of their game, and then hand it off to the next generation.
3. A leader is in trouble when they need to be needed
During a succession, John takes an intentional step to say, “If you ever feel like not bringing me back to speak into this organization, that’s totally fine.” He does this because he wants what’s best for the organization, whether it involves him or not. He doesn’t need to be needed by them.
If someone transitions out of an organization and still has an emotional need to be loved by that organization, it’s not a great sign, and that leader is at risk of hurting the organization by hanging around for too long.
Quotes from Episode 407
The value of a failure is learning, and the value of learning is improvement. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XA leader is in trouble when they need to be needed. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XHonor is for what I did yesterday, but respect is for what I can do today. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XYou cannot pour into, equip and add value to leaders without it coming back to you in a greater return than what you gave. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XInvest in yourself in personal growth, and invest in others in leadership, and you'll have an inevitable return. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XA great way to build leaders is by letting them practice leadership. And the way to build confidence is to celebrate wins. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XWhat you focus on expands. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XThe question isn't, 'How do I get rid of my fear?' The question is, 'How do I make my faith stronger?' @JohnCMaxwell Share on XWhen you start growing intentionally, you increase growth capacity. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XTeamwork makes the dream work, but a vision becomes a nightmare when the leader has a big dream and a bad team. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XI quit asking the question, 'How long will it take,' and I started asking the question, 'How far can I go?' @JohnCMaxwell Share on XCriticism isn't what kicks me out of the game. Not having a mission and a vision that is greater than that criticism is what kicks me out of the game. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XIf my faith is stronger than my fear, then my faith will win. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XDuring difficult times you've got to ask yourself, 'Am I going to curse the darkness or I'm going to turn on the light?' @JohnCMaxwell Share on XThe value of celebration is you do it with others. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XSuccess is having people who know me the best love and respect me the most. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XI don't hand the ball off to somebody who already knows something. I hand a ball off to somebody who has a potential to do something. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XI have no desire in having workers, I have desire of having leaders, and leaders reproduce other people. @JohnCMaxwell Share on XPeople development is when people are better because they worked with you. Share on XRead or Download the Transcript for Episode 407
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